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Numa Pompilius · Nov 07, 2005, 11:13 AM // 11:13

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Originally Posted by Sanji

Guild Wars sold a lot of copies by grooming itself as a Free MMO. I'm not too certain the backlash it caused was worth it. That is, of hardcore PvE players being pissed off because it doesn't do enough to basically be Diablo 3 or whatever MMO they play and hardcore PvP players who found that the environment not to their liking due to initially slow unlocks and a horrible matching service.

And, again, the PvE players aren't bitching and moaning. The PvP players are. Especially the l33t3st, who got in the beta and were subsequently disappointed that they didn't get a huge advantage over the mere mortals who bought the game after release, as they of course had every right to expect.

I would really like to repeat that, as it seems to be such a damn hard concept for many to grasp: the PvE players aren't complaining.

I bought the game one week after release, and the PvP players were bitching and moaning then. They're bitching and moaning now. They'll be bitching and moaning a year from now.

But I'm being unfair here. The PvP players in general aren't bitching and moaning, the battle.net kiddies are. You know them, the l33t guys who cheated and duped in Diablo2 (and are quite upset they can't in GW), the guys who wont report a bug they can exploit unless everyone already knows about it. Some of them are good players, some are bad players, most of them even Jesus would consider shit wrapped in skin, but above all they share the heartfelt belief that they're teh l33t and better than the mere mortals polluting the servers with their presence.

They bitch and moan, but not because there's anything actually wrong. They bitch and moan because they hope to get ANet to give them preferential treatment so they can pwn nubbs, as is their god-given right and the natural order of the world. There's nothing a battle.net kiddie hates more than a level playingfield. Except possibly when one of their favorite exploits get found out and fixed.

PvE players don't bitch and moan, because they don't want ANet to help them dominate other players and don't rely on bugs and exploits. They just play the game.

EDIT: Now, THESE are the words of a PvE'er:

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I loved GW, but as a non-pvp person it's on the back-burner until something interesting happens. I played it constantly from full release until about a month ago.

That's what PvE'ers do when they get bored with a MMORPG: they move on. And you do get bored of MMORPGs. Average for WoW is apparently five months, IMO it's about the same for Guildwars - if you're a PvE'er. PvP'ers seem to last much shorter. Or at least they claim to.

ChoKILLate[FDG] · Nov 07, 2005, 03:48 PM // 15:48

As a new person first getting the game and playing it straight through buying much needed weapons and armor on the way, how many of you could get 600k in a month? Hell it took me half a month just to get to the desert. Once I got there, I still had to ascend, get attribute quests, and cap the really good spells before I could farm efficiently. I did not waste my time in towns selling equipment because I never know how much to ask and I didn't get anything good until I started farming.

Remember this is as a new person. Ie...not knowing the fastest way, not paying for runs, not knowing the bonus, or having money/material to get good armor right off the bat...and if you were a mes, ranger, or necro, it was even harder at the beginning just trying to find a group to do missions. Now if I started as a new character, I probably could but when I first got the game, no way!

User Name · Nov 07, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

And, again, the PvE players aren't bitching and moaning. The PvP players are. Especially the l33t3st, who got in the beta and were subsequently disappointed that they didn't get a huge advantage over the mere mortals who bought the game after release, as they of course had every right to expect.

I would really like to repeat that, as it seems to be such a damn hard concept for many to grasp: the PvE players aren't complaining.

I bought the game one week after release, and the PvP players were bitching and moaning then. They're bitching and moaning now. They'll be bitching and moaning a year from now.

But I'm being unfair here. The PvP players in general aren't bitching and moaning, the battle.net kiddies are. You know them, the l33t guys who cheated and duped in Diablo2 (and are quite upset they can't in GW), the guys who wont report a bug they can exploit unless everyone already knows about it. Some of them are good players, some are bad players, most of them even Jesus would consider shit wrapped in skin, but above all they share the heartfelt belief that they're teh l33t and better than the mere mortals polluting the servers with their presence.

They bitch and moan, but not because there's anything actually wrong. They bitch and moan because they hope to get ANet to give them preferential treatment so they can pwn nubbs, as is their god-given right and the natural order of the world. There's nothing a battle.net kiddie hates more than a level playingfield. Except possibly when one of their favorite exploits get found out and fixed.

PvE players don't bitch and moan, because they don't want ANet to help them dominate other players and don't rely on bugs and exploits. They just play the game.

EDIT: Now, THESE are the words of a PvE'er:

That's what PvE'ers do when they get bored with a MMORPG: they move on. And you do get bored of MMORPGs. Average for WoW is apparently five months, IMO it's about the same for Guildwars - if you're a PvE'er. PvP'ers seem to last much shorter. Or at least they claim to.

Uhm...the recent skill changes and balances are all made because PvP players want a level playing field. Wasn't it the "uber farming monks" that were the most displeased with recent skill changes and the nerfing of their precious(but unmistakenly overpowered) protective bond?? As far as I can tell the PvP players want the skills to be balanced(for the most part) and the PvE players want the skills to remain as they have been since release(probably due to a lack of ability to adapt to new situations using different skills)....I'm just not clear as to where you got your information in regards to PvP players wanting to "uber pwn the nubbs"

dont feel no pain · Nov 07, 2005, 04:16 PM // 16:16

every night after playing Guild Wars i get in a shower curl up like a ball in the corner and rock back and fore shouting who am i who am i.........

Jk

MarkyX · Nov 08, 2005, 12:49 AM // 00:49

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And, again, the PvE players aren't bitching and moaning. The PvP players are. Especially the l33t3st, who got in the beta and were subsequently disappointed that they didn't get a huge advantage over the mere mortals who bought the game after release, as they of course had every right to expect.

Some of them are. Lack of challenge, no unique items, and the game not even telling you how much damage you can deal with your weapon. They are not as vocal as the PvP, but I've seen some PvErs compalin.

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I bought the game one week after release, and the PvP players were bitching and moaning then. They're bitching and moaning now. They'll be bitching and moaning a year from now.

Of course they are bitching. Where is the guild storage? Why can't we switch our builds on the fly? Why is tombs still shit?

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But I'm being unfair here. The PvP players in general aren't bitching and moaning, the battle.net kiddies are. You know them, the l33t guys who cheated and duped in Diablo2 (and are quite upset they can't in GW), the guys who wont report a bug they can exploit unless everyone already knows about it. Some of them are good players, some are bad players, most of them even Jesus would consider shit wrapped in skin, but above all they share the heartfelt belief that they're teh l33t and better than the mere mortals polluting the servers with their presence.

It's very hard to top shit in this game and be well-known about it. The people who are 'famous' in GW are either assholes, guys who win HOH a lot, or people who run totally unique builds.

Although it is funny to hear before the fight "MarkyX, don't shut down our monks. They're new."

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They bitch and moan, but not because there's anything actually wrong. They bitch and moan because they hope to get ANet to give them preferential treatment so they can pwn nubbs, as is their god-given right and the natural order of the world. There's nothing a battle.net kiddie hates more than a level playingfield. Except possibly when one of their favorite exploits get found out and fixed.

Um...wrong.

Most of the complaints is because of the false advertising done by anet. "Time over skill", "No grinding", "Streaming updates"? Pfft...right.

I complain a lot because they can easily get a lot of shit fixed in no time but they refuse to, because they want to cater to the lowest common dominator. Anet doesn't have tutorials or good premades, and they refuse to anything that totally screws up the competition or lowers the bar for players (rank, ranger spike, HOH setup, IWAY, just to name a few). Don't get me started on the half-ass builds on Guild of the Week or that 1up inter view.

I could go on and on, but this is Anet we're talking about. They wouldn't listen to logic, just money.

Shimus DarkRaven · Nov 08, 2005, 10:53 AM // 10:53

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Originally Posted by Prince Rurik

Ooh, that makes me so happy. It's nice to have fans.

I keep playing because I have to. I'd be drinking ale with the hunters in pre-searing if I had the choice, but partying up with folks like Aron here does make the endless running of Nolani a little more fun.

I miss you old buddy. You were the only trashtalker after my own heart. And you seriously could lay the pre-searing beatdown. Alas, my friend Krelborn Arrowstorm has thwacked an arrow into your forehead as you catered to the undead lich. Why did they have to kill you?! I liked the trashtalking. Noone else in the game trashtalks the way you do, Prince!

You're my idol!

[PS]: You know you're addicted to Guild Wars when you rush into a bar brawl and yell, "SHIELDS UP!" and "WATCH YOURSELF!"

--The shim

Hanuman li Tosh · Nov 08, 2005, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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And, again, the PvE players aren't bitching and moaning. The PvP players are. Especially the l33t3st, who got in the beta and were subsequently disappointed that they didn't get a huge advantage over the mere mortals who bought the game after release, as they of course had every right to expect.

I would really like to repeat that, as it seems to be such a damn hard concept for many to grasp: the PvE players aren't complaining.

im not going to count the actual threads on the first page alone that prove your statement wrong, im just gonna say check you facts before you post.

AncientPC · Nov 09, 2005, 07:38 AM // 07:38

I think time played should be measured in hours (via /age) and not real-life time because obviouisly everyone plays at a different rate.

600k in a single month is believable. I hit 1 million within 400 hours, but that's probably because I spent 300 hours trading.

It also depends how you spend your time, obviously I spent mine trading. If you spent 400 hours playing PvP, PvE storyline and not trading / solo farming you'll gain gold at a much slower rate but it all depends on what you find fun.

neoteo · Nov 09, 2005, 08:04 AM // 08:04

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Originally Posted by Aracos79

Considering that we are probably a good 3 or 4 months away from Chapter 2, I think it is a legitimate concern to think about what will happen to the game population in that time. And how many who left will return for Ch. 2? While the OP was probably trolling... I think it is a legitimate question to consider. Will there be enough people around over the next few months, and will enough come back to make things fun for Chapter 2?

Not all of us are content to just load up on henchmen all the time. Part of the game is working with and playing with other people. If that becomes impossible due to low server populations (and the ones left either being arrogant l33ts or noobs) the game just won't be worth playing anymore for some people.

im ready to bet with anyone that , we will have a massive population on chapter 2.

boxterduke · Nov 09, 2005, 02:25 PM // 14:25

Have u gotten all skills for your character, have you tried switching secondary and try new builds.
There is always things to do in this game.

MarkyX · Nov 10, 2005, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

Have u gotten all skills for your character, have you tried switching secondary and try new builds.
There is always things to do in this game.

I don't plan on playing monk, so monk is out.

If I bring a unique build to tombs, no one will want it. If, for example, I bring an axe warrior using Cleave, I wouldn't be able to join a group.

*waits for someone to say cleave sucks, proving that once again the community for GW is killing the pvp competition*

AncientPC · Nov 10, 2005, 01:41 AM // 01:41

Cleave sucks.

neoteo · Nov 10, 2005, 02:46 AM // 02:46

people can say what they say , but im sure ..

ITS A GOOD GAME !

been playing since worldpreview and got the game 10 of may , and im sure i will play for 1 more year minimum.if GW3 is out , im there too ...

jonnybegood · Nov 10, 2005, 02:48 AM // 02:48

to answer the OP's question "YES"

Whosaidwhatnow · Nov 10, 2005, 05:51 AM // 05:51

Wow, trolling much?

Anyone that thinks all there is to do in a videogame is reach the highest numeric level is missing out on a loooooooot of great experiences.

You stopped playing because you got one character to level 20 and had 60k? Did you try a different class, different secondaries, different character builds, forming a guild, GvG, arenas, tombs, solo farming, FoW/UW/SF questing/farming, trying new team builds, etc etc?

If you didn't see the potential this game had when you first started playing it, you probably never will.

Whosaidwhatnow · Nov 10, 2005, 05:57 AM // 05:57

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

And, again, the PvE players aren't bitching and moaning. The PvP players are. Especially the l33t3st, who got in the beta and were subsequently disappointed that they didn't get a huge advantage over the mere mortals who bought the game after release, as they of course had every right to expect.

I would really like to repeat that, as it seems to be such a damn hard concept for many to grasp: the PvE players aren't complaining.

I bought the game one week after release, and the PvP players were bitching and moaning then. They're bitching and moaning now. They'll be bitching and moaning a year from now.

But I'm being unfair here. The PvP players in general aren't bitching and moaning, the battle.net kiddies are. You know them, the l33t guys who cheated and duped in Diablo2 (and are quite upset they can't in GW), the guys who wont report a bug they can exploit unless everyone already knows about it. Some of them are good players, some are bad players, most of them even Jesus would consider shit wrapped in skin, but above all they share the heartfelt belief that they're teh l33t and better than the mere mortals polluting the servers with their presence.

They bitch and moan, but not because there's anything actually wrong. They bitch and moan because they hope to get ANet to give them preferential treatment so they can pwn nubbs, as is their god-given right and the natural order of the world. There's nothing a battle.net kiddie hates more than a level playingfield. Except possibly when one of their favorite exploits get found out and fixed.

PvE players don't bitch and moan, because they don't want ANet to help them dominate other players and don't rely on bugs and exploits. They just play the game.

EDIT: Now, THESE are the words of a PvE'er:

That's what PvE'ers do when they get bored with a MMORPG: they move on. And you do get bored of MMORPGs. Average for WoW is apparently five months, IMO it's about the same for Guildwars - if you're a PvE'er. PvP'ers seem to last much shorter. Or at least they claim to.

Bravo. Damn good post. It's rare that I read a post that makes me grin stupidly at the realization that there are people out there thinking exactly what I'm thinking, but here I am, grinning. The battle.net teh 133t bit was absolutely spot-on.

ty3c · Nov 10, 2005, 06:02 AM // 06:02

I have pretty much quit i played for around four months in that time i made a grand total of one million plat and 56 ectos i beat the game in 30 days and well i rarely log in anymore becuase i am bored of all of my games i need to save up and buy a new game i am sooo bored lol.

Roza · Nov 10, 2005, 06:28 AM // 06:28

We pvp players may be horrible people who leave the game in a few days, but I just can't help myself advising pve players who are bored of the game to give pvp a try.

neoteo · Nov 10, 2005, 06:51 AM // 06:51

its true , im mostly pve player , and i cant get bored ... i havent done everyquest yet , becose i dont want to , i like to do it slowly ... and i use guildwars as a chat room also .. so dont really need anything special to keep me going in ...

pvp - i have fame 48 , i know its nothing , dont even have emote , but was already a good experience with voice chat teams , it rocks !!! im sure its where the adrenaline goes higher in this game ... too high for many people.

i want to play pvp , but not before i have a good friendly guild to go in with , and fell safe of anything.

Roza · Nov 10, 2005, 06:58 AM // 06:58

Well, there are good and friendly guilds out there that would be happy to invite you, with rank 48 and all that. Just ask for a guild when in tombs (you will get a lot of posts, just ask some questions and you will find a nice one), or join a guild team in tombs and if you like the other players, ask if you can join.